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When multiple DID and DDNOS systems are arguing with you, a soulbonder/tulpamancer/endogenic system/natural system, that you need to have a dissociative disorder to be a system/multiple then you should listen to them, rather than insisting on your point of view.
Step one of not stepping on us: Don’t talk over us.
When y9u are insulting 9ur existence, then y9u need t9 realize what the p9int 9f y9u reacting s9 negatively is.
We d9n’t want t9 talk 9ver y9u, 6ut when y9u all give 9ur system mem6ers panic attacks and make them disass9ciate s9metimes f9r days 9n end just 6ecause they 6elieve they aren’t real, then we must. We are just as valid as y9u and all we wish is t9 6e respected as such.
I hate to break it to you but I still wont change my mind. A system is born of DID/DDNOS or imitative did (which still doesn’t have actual alters, but the false belief a person does.). That’s my opinion on the matter.
Y9ur 9pini9n hurts pe9ple, that’s what I’m trying t9 say here. I w9nder if y9u even read the part where I stated that pe9ple have 6een hurt 6y this (examples, my h9st has had large epis9des 9f shutting d9wn and disass9ciati9n and 9ur Karkat fictive alm9st lashed 9ut and killed an9ther system mem6er 6ecause 9f a psych9tic epis9de pr9mpted 6y such invalidati9n).
And may I ask, wh9 are natural systems hurting 6y existing? M9st 9f us d9n’t claim parts 9f DID/DDN9S that we d9 n9t have, the 9nly thing we experience and claim is multiplicity. Wh9 is this hurting, invalidating, etc.?
Listen. I stated my opinion, no amount of trying to pull pity from me is going to work. Pity/compassion/whatever isn’t a substitute for research we’ve been doing for around a year now. Simply put, systems aren’t actual systems unless they’re traumagenic. We used to believe in natural systems too until we did research.
It wasn’t meant as pity, it was sh9wing y9u h9w y9ur 9pini9n is hurting pe9ple. Lack 9f sympathy and empathy d9esn’t excuse y9ur acti9ns. And y9u want research? Here’s input fr9m an actual, live natural system: we experience multiplicity. W9w, amazing, right?
Actions such as attempting to spread an opinion based in fact and research using research papers written by people who have gotten a doctorate.
It’s alm9st like I’m speaking fr9m experience. Wh9 w9uld have th9ught?
Oh same. What a concept.
I mean, it’s n9t like I kn9w what’s g9ing 9n in my 9wn head, and it’s t9tally a c9mpletely fake system that we just made up 6ecause we th9ught “hey, let’s give the h9st’s IRL friends reas9n t9 c9nstantly degrade us and give pe9ple reas9ns t9 further hurt the h9st’s mental state.”
I never called you personally fake, now did I.
“Simply put, systems aren’t actual systems unless they’re traumagenic.”
“A system is born of DID/DDNOS or imitative did”
S9rry, 6ut t9 m9st pe9ple that implies 6eing called fake, 9r at the very least n9t an “actual system.”
I wasn’t calling you fake, i was stating facts. If you just so happen to fall under the definition of “fake” then its of no fault of mine.
Where did these “facts” c9me fr9m, then? I have never seen 9fficial tests d9ne t9 pr9ve n9r dispr9ve natural systems. And even if I have and they did dispr9ve natural systems, then they’re simply wr9ng. I am a fictive in a natural system, and last time I checked I am very much real. I’m n9t just g9ing t9 suddenly disappear 6ecause s9me pe9ple said I’m n9t real.
Here’s the thing though. Let’s say Suzie down the street thought she was in a system but in reality she wasn’t and instead had a form of imitative DID due to, say, BPD. Once she realized her “alters” was just identity confusion and actually pats of her, it should end.
So that is entirely possible. Sorry for the late response, I had to sleep, my host was having a bad time. To answer the facts question, medical research papers on dissociative disorders and structural dissociation.
The thing here though is that most systems without DID and other similar disorders describe their experiences as things that do not reflect imitative DID unless they are someone who is new to how systems work. In order to have imitative DID you also have to have a disorder that causes it which when most people who are non DID systems from my experience don’t end up having.
And those don’t prove that non DID systems don’t exist. In fact, neither one of us can use current psychology to fall back on for our arguments since no one has done any studies on this kind of thing yet to further proving or disproving it. I wish someone would so that we could stop having these debates once and for all, but no one has yet.
So I don’t know where you did your research on the fact that we don’t exist on an actual professional psychology level, because I haven’t found anything in the serious mental health field talking about us at all one way or the other. If you somehow did find a link to some study that is about non DID multiples who don’t have imitative DID, I really want to see it.
You can research people’s opinions and you can research discussions on this topic though amongst people from both the diagnosed system communities and the non DID communities though. I won’t deny that part. I’ve been doing a lot of that myself..
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